Unbranded Admin

OK I will ask it from our chief

I agree...

Banners are gone from admin panel when you enter paid license.

Please specify what are you talking about ? preferable with screenshots please...

He's probably referring to the logos that appear on both the login and throughout the administration panel. I'm not sure about the copyright at the bottom (pet peeve to see the date not updated), since that's probably a matter of opinion. I think those who purchase a license shouldn't have to deal with any form of branding (excluding the comments in the source code, of course), since that's the reason why the paid license exists: to remove branding.

It doesn't take much to remove it all.... who would know if you did?

You don't know about AlexT's secret satellites?

Yes I also dont want admin section to be branded and want all traces of boonex to be removed. There will be (hopefully) complete administration module by YobiLab - there is a post in forum "yobilab administration module" I already posted this feature request for admin nbranding removal. To support this feature it will be good if u post this request also in there so it will be greater chance this will be implemented in yobilab module

Andrew,

the admin panel is heavily branded, starting from the /administration login all the way through the administration of the site. the admin header, the admin footer, the fact that boonex is displayed on every module, whereas this could merely be depicted as 'core' rather than Boonex, and all add-on modules could be depicted as 'add-on'. there is no need for the amount of branding that is on the administration panel.

the modules area of the site has the boonex name ~30 times

specifically in considering branding, the admin area is heavily branded.

*********It is important to point out links like add extensions in the admin section is the same as branding!  Veteran people can miss this as a link back to Boonex that at some point someone will click on and be brought into the world of Boonex..........and again that is EVERYWHERE in the admin section.......***********

@ Dos-Dawg........Yes exactly.............The theory behind this is obvious but as a Company that Branding is everything, Let's look at the theory that is all this branding in the admin section from the what I will call a "Client" of Boonex, BX assumes I guess that I would be the only ADMIN of a site that is far more powerful than to think one person could handle if successful!  I mean really there would have to be divisions to handle well each division.  In that process it it like having a secret that DOLPHIN is the platform I have chosen to build this amazing site.  Hmmmm OK I hire a number of people to help admin the site and as the owner, I can't sleep at night thinking that one of my younger employees see's the Boonex branding and say's I have an idea thanks, I quit!  How many times do you think it would happen?   The branding is understood up until the product is bought!  The admin branding is clearly a next step in the process of making this amazing package more marketable...........PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE in order to get serious people aboard this branding must be removed...........I will listen to all thoughts on this............@ HL thank you for that thought but I think it is KNEE DEEP ingrained into the the admin section renaming of TONS of files................I must ask can you rename those files without breaking the code links BC of it?  Like the Module section.........as 1 example change Boonex to whatever.........

It's not like I am asking to do this for free I have purchased a number of license's for the site 2 are forever and have about a 1.3 years into this..........

@ Alex please see 2 attached picture.......

Ok, i am confused on a couple of those screen shots.

Like this one. admin-boonex-branding-000004.png

I mean every module developer has their name as the mod author.

Can we really call this branding?

Its a great question Deano and my answer is without question it is...............

I think what is coming from all this is a limited view admin.............IOW the admin would have access only to non-branded areas.........and the Client of Boonex would have access to all area's now that makes sense to me.

The way the membership level viewing is setup would be the way a "Client or me" could choose what his admin had access to.............NOW THAT would resolve a large number of the issues....................IOW Deano the ADMIN would never see the picture you pointed out.

Seems like to me that system is already in place and would just have to have a membership like ADMIN levels..................The levels that Dolphin is in my mind would demand this..........

Oh, ok, your talking about sub admins who would not be allowed to install or uninstall modules.

I was thinking branding. That picture shows a list of installed modules which the Admin would have to be able to see. What i was refering to was the name boonex as the module vendor. Which that vendor name is shown for all modules. Mine are labeled Deano. And i really cannot see calling it branding and require it's removal as you would no longer be able to tell who wrote it. I suppose that could be replaced with a info link instead which when clicked on would show version, author and any other information required to indentify the installed module.

I am not sure if you can or not...but regardless, I paid for an unlimited license like you and so therefore, my whole admin section pertains to my site...not Boonex. I just made my mods as I saw fit and all looks and works well.

I wanted to have dreams about my site growing, not nightmares about Boonex owning me.

you answered your own question here deano "every developer has their name as the mod author." yes its branding, it should simply state Add-on or core

no need for 'authors names' the files are marked as to where the works came from

I'd hardly call it knee deep.  With an hour or less work, you can remove all traces of the name Boonex, and it's easy to do.   It's all probably against the licensing terms, so this is probably one of those don't ask-don't tell situations.

I also believe if you have a brand free license you should not see "Boonex" or "Dolphin" anywhere on your site. Why have branding in the ADMIN or in the modules in the fist place. Isn't branding in the footer good enough? And why is it a banner? What is wrong with just having  a simple link like  "v7.0.5-Powered By Boonex" like other scripts have? I think of it as an unnecessary  waste of screen space.

@Deano that is "ONE" facet as an author and a vested interest you are, I clearly understand your concern just as Boonex before the product is purchased.  The problem is Branding is more important in the "Site World" that "Boonex" IS.  1000 iteration of sites and Google possible.

Let me give you an example that will prove that I can be dumb ass.  I posted in this very forum links for help which allowed everyone here a chance to see what I was talking about............Great helps everyone...........Oppps not such a great idea as I had to report myself BC those posts appeared in GOOGLE on the first page with "MY BRAND" BEING SEARCHED and it appears the links have been removed (thks).  This example is the exact same thing it allowed the WORLD to see GGE is using Dolphin as it's platform.  They no longer appear on Google but as GGE is all over Google it does not need to be linked to Dolphin............

IOW Branding is so important that it is the difference in being successful and not being successful.

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as I said this feature will be most probably released in commercial module developing by YObilab so you can contact him regarding this...

I thought Andrew said that you can remove all reference to boonex from your sites, (including admin) but you are not allowed to remove the boonex box from the top of the files installed on the server

I missed your post and I will contact him directly.........thank you...........

@freakpower,

yes i have read where yobilab is to release some modified version of the admin panel, but i dont see how it can be applied to the market, as such with staying within the parameters of module development, no changes are to be done to the core elements of dolphin, that all such 3rd party module development should comply all ground rules set forth.

on top of that, if the license is a paid license for brand removal, then brand removal should be global, and that should not require any member who has purchased a license to purchase a module that will unbrand the admin panel.

Very Nice......................

dosdawg: yes i agree with you that after we buy branding removal it should be removed globally but now its not so hope this feature will be at least implemented to yobilab module. If boonex do that first thats even better but I dont thing they wilol care about this now...

By the license terms you are allowed to remove ALL visible BoonEx references from your site if you have a paid license. Yes, there're some places where it doesn't dissapear automatically. We will look closer at it in 7.1 and will try to remove them all.

Meanwhile, if you have means to manually remove them, feel free to do so. We just want our copyright statements in source code to remain in place.

thank you andrew for the verification. if its ok with you, i will try to write a tutorial on the parts that i know how to remove or rebrand for those who wish to have this functionality.

HL can you help us out with writing this up since its been verified that its not a violation of TOS or agreements?

This is great news and I applaud the thought and understand the process must be enormous to pull it off.  I was thinking today that there should be two modes a development mode which the admin section lacks the link back to Unity and then implementation mode!

It would be so awesome to be able to check a button to be almost like let's now go live and all the discussed would be removed............. Dos thank you for the suggestion and hopefully HL will help out with the process..............HAPPY ST. PATRICK'S DAY     WooooooooHoooooooo

Glad to know we got approval too. I have already removed the branding from my site as I understood that I could do so. Now…if you have more than one dolphin site…you do have to pay for a license for each one before removing anything.

If your site is using a paid license, you should be able to go ahead and remove the extra logos, etc. If your site isn't using a paid license, well, the answer is obvious (no). I'm only going off what's been said in this topic, but the man upstairs may have a different opinion on this type of situation.

well i can provide a half-baked answer on that. it was previously determined that you could run multiple instances of dolphin on one license as long as the additional instances were installed in a subdirectory, not a subdomain.

but if you are running under two different domains, you are supposed to have the appropriate license for removal of the boonex brand.

Andrew can you provide feedback on that please sir?

Yeah…I have 3 dolphin sites…but only one unlimited license…so what I did is remove the branding from the one that the license is registered with and left the front end branding on the other 2. I did remove the branding from the administrative back end of the other 2 dolphin sites. Andrew…if this is not allowed, then let me know I can add it back although no one but me ever sees the back end any way only the front end which is still Boonex branded.

Thanks

@jmonroe

Removing branding from unlicensed versions appears to be a breach of the free license agreement whether people can see it or not. The relevant sections being 4b & 4c, in addition to the heading

'BoonEx logo and links must be displayed on your site.'

Unfortunately the free license agreement is incredibly complex, written in technical legal language, with many parts irrelevant and fails to clearly define the rights of use because it's a standard form agreement used for many different situations. It should be re-written in plain english.

At present the best way to understand the free license is by reference to the commercial/lifetime license whereby you can "Remove logos, links, and other trademarks (footers) from the Licensed Software" meaning everywhere except "Licensee shall not remove or alter the Licensor headers from the Licensed Software" which I take it to mean the BX branding at the top of each php file. Especially given Andrews previous comment on this post.

Given that the paid license allows such actions then the contrary is that the free license does not. All logos, links, banners, branding etc must remain regardless of where they are found without written permission from Boonex.

Yeah. Got ya. Thanks for the info. I will see what Andrew says and if he says put it back in the admin section...which I am sure....I will put it back. I have one unlimited license...I will probably buy another soon so I can brand it however I want.

Thanks again.

Again, if it's free license - keep the footers with BoonEx links, if it's a paid license - remove them. Admin section - we don't really care much about it. Whole idea with footers is to compensate us for the usage of the software by advertising BoonEx to your visitors via those links. Admin section doesn't do it, and we know that you are well aware of BoonEx anyway. Plus we never check sites' admin section and sometimes we can't even locate them (if URL is changed). Just go by common sense - we want either $100 or links on your site for the software, because links may bring visitors.

and to those who have this concern, its worth the $100.00, compare this to social engine, and you will find the cost is extremely affordable for advert removal from BoonEx.

thank you andrew for the clarification.

I am interested on delete just the ads of boonex in admin panel. note: i have a lifetime license!
can somebody post us, how we can delete the ads manually??

what i want delete? important is for me this:
1.) i dont like the boxes with boonex-links to modules, templates, etc. which are most below the content.
2.) and than i want delete the box with the info, that i havent a premium-account. (it makes me sad^^)
3.) and last but not least... i want change/delete the footer copyright, dont worry in code i dont want delete it! 

have somebody solutions / tips and tricks?

andrew said, that its ok, if we delete the ads. i dont want to wait, until we get made a upgrade to 7.1
i want delete the ads now. so i have wrote this post here and not made a own topic.
@csampson1 i hope its ok for you...

if somebody know a solution for a problem, than let me pls know. thanks.

best regards! (sry. for my bad english)

Thank you Andrew i did point out that you had said this before 5 posts above yours.  It seems people have a poor memory lol

Fine with me I would love to see the same post..............I see the MOD from YObilab as a major management tool and I hope he brings it to market very soon..........Managing what the admin can do is a major step forward.........