Fresh install Modules Still Failing (ORDER OF PRECEDENCE)

ok im somewhat annoyed, so i will try severely hard not to upset the feathers on those with the suspend button. guys, this has been going on far too long, you are now on release .5, and the fact that you are not addressing error_trapping and order of precedence is absolutely ridiculous.

so you guys refuse to let go of your desire to have dependencies, thats fine, however, do not refer to them as modules, and do not provide the option to half ass provide the means for an installation. what do i mean here, module, would refer to something that is modular:

Modular Defined - Designed with standardized units or dimensions, as for easy assembly and repair or flexible arrangement

ok so you have your fetish with dependencies, thus this negates the abilty to classify these plugins with dependencies to be a module. and quite frankly, these 'failed' messages on install are really unprofessional. i dont know how you can consider this to be some great work of art, if you cant get this straight after 5 releases.

ok so what, you cant install groups without installing forums, ok error_trapping regular expressions here, if forums are not installed, prompt the user, have them agree, install the forums then proceed with the installation of the groups. dont set a frigging failed message on a fresh install of your software, it makes the developers here appear unprofessional in its presentation.

yes the software is above and beyond any other open source, however, when you continue to release version with such issues as not clearing your dependencies first, it just looks really bad.

ok you see this last one, i am really wanting to know exactly what the videos module has to do with the 'store' module?

yeah so moving on, so i end up with a list of module that are not installed, so i tick the ones i wish to install, which by the way, i dont see why dolphin 6.1.6 migration is still included, as it is of absolutely no use on version 7.0.5, so why is it there taking up space?

so i get a second set of failed errors, why, if these were already installed, then why were they listed in the uninstalled list?

yes this has been overlooked or not discussed, but seems to me, and this is my most kind consideration here, that if you are selling this product, that you would require some attention to detail, and have these pesky issues fixed, moreover, remove the frigging dependencies, why do you think you need them, are you not able to write stand alone modules?

I fully agree with this. The way modules currently work is unacceptable, especially when this software is advertised as easy and flexible. I still don't understand why these modules are given hard-coded dependencies, other than the developers being utterly lazy and unwilling to commit the extra time needed to implement a proper system. The current module system isn't truly modularized, as said above. To call it that is completely misleading to anyone who has a clue as to what that word actually means. Modules should not be completely dependent on other modules, but the other way around. They should be completely independent from each other, with the option coded in for modules to "hook" into other modules and make use of their features. If I want to use the groups module, but not have forums on my site, I shouldn't be forced to either live with it or remove large chunks of coding to have it my way.

i see this post made it to page 7 in less than 1 day. this is serious stuff here people, ignore it if you feel better about yourself, but this is unprofessional.

i suppose you would like me to submit a support ticket on this?

You know, they say a good puzzle will help stave off Alzheimers disease, lol

they also say that one missing puzzle piece can cause a person to go 'postal'

Any updates or input from developers on these issues?
If I was new to Dolphin, error messages like these would give me cause to pack up and drop the install..
There are very few explanation as to what each 'dependency' do, so when you go thru and TICK the boxes as a new user, you do not know what half of these items will do for your site..
If these are dependant of each other, why not list them together so when I tick one, the other one is automatically ticked as well?

Waiting with anticipation to hear how these things are being looked at?

Regards, Ken

i am just wiriting to bring it up again, as it seems to be forgotten.

i would like to know about this issue.

best reagards

reply also as  a support for dosdawg as he is absolutely right - unfortunatrely boonex staff is quite quiet from time 7.0.5 was released so I relly dont know what is happening at boonex - seems like most of boonex staff activity on blogs, forum and development roadmap is nearly zero... Common guys whats up ?

magnus: cant you setup a ticket for that ?

i could submit a ticket, however, i dont see the use, since this has been prevelant from the first dolphin 7 release and they know its occurring, and choose to leave it as it is. its very bad for a site to produce this many errors right from a download.

yes you right.....hmmm but what else to do ? Nobody from boonex reply at all to any posts nowdays. Have a look at my petition to make deano trusted seller nothing happened at all .... and there was really manyyyy votes from basicly all active members (dont count that 9.900 nonactive in forum) so its clear boonex simply absolutely dont care about this stuff and they anyway do only what they like to do... its really frustrating situation

oh yes, i totally agree with DosDawg,

thats why i tried to bring it up again, so more people can join in and it can be seen by boonex.

I've noticed BoonEx only respond to things when they're either in the mood, or in 'damage control'.

Well "BUMP" it up here, this is very annoying and I agree 100%

The logic is straight. Ones modules are using functionality of other modules and because of this there are dependencies between them.

We will try to make modules more independent in future versions, but some dependencies will still remain.

There were some discussions about it and there are some tickets about this.

I'm answering in topics when somebody brings my attentions to it (via pm for example) and there are no other helpful answers. Or I'm forwarding it to the person who is knowledgeable in the subject.

alex,

yes its ok for the dependencies, however, if module A has a dependency of module L, then if i opt for module A to be installed, then Order of Precedence says that module L has to be installed, and instead of giving me an error, why not prompt that there is the requirement for the dependency to be installed as well?

but even in what you state here, if one module uses functionality of another module, then why not take that functionality out and put it in a class, and set it by itself and then if a module needs that functionality, then you can call the class with the function?

I just want to point out. The latest quantum mechanics theory suggests that the shortest distance between two points may NOT be a straight line....

andrew, i understand there are going to be dependencies, my concern is the fact that on a fresh install, modules are reported as failed, because of the dependencies, and then modules are reporting as failed that are in fact installed.

I probably should have chose my words more carefully, but there are days (and sometimes weeks) where there is barely a peep from you guys. There are also days when you guys are all over the place and active, which really leaves me scratching my head.

I'm willing to wait for an overhaul of the dependency system for modules, but in the meantime, the list should be ordered by their dependencies, instead of alphabetically (which begs the question of why the list on the modules page is in alphabetical order, but not the menu). I'm also confused by modules appearing in the not installed section, being selected for installation, and then giving an error that it has already been installed.

even moreso, i have seen modules in the installed list and uninstalled list. matter of fact, a 7.0.4 --> 7.0.5 upgrade has caused such a problem.

Oh, that's just workflow. We work on Dolphin 7.0.x, Dolphin 7.1, Dolphin 8.0, Unity and Mobile Apps at the same time. Sometimes we get carried away (in good sense ;) ) by development process and when there's a gap, we're back here. Our moderators and helpful members are the only castle-keepers till then, for which we're very grateful.

http://www.boonex.com/trac/dolphin/ticket/2424

I usually just refresh the page until they're all installed

AlexT,

thank you for recognizing this is a defect, and thank you for creating the trac entry.

i have other items to post to you here, because most things just get ignored by the members and the broken or half working application is just accepted. this one finally got to me, and i couldnt take it any more.